colima

I understand the point you're making, but FWIW I run Windows and Linux under Parallels and it works great. Colima/Lima is excellent, too: https://github.com/abiosoft/colima Windows on ARM performance is near native when run under macOS. `virtiofs` mounts aren't nearly as fast as native Linux filesystem access, but Colima/Lima can be very fast if you (for example) move build artifacts and dependency caches inside the VM.

As hair splitting, one can choose to use qemu or Virtualization.framework https://lima-vm.io/docs/config/vmtype/vz/ (I'm aware that's a link to Lima docs but ... <https://github.com/abiosoft/colima/blob/v0.8.4/config/config...>)

This is what Lima is, which is the basis for Colima which runs on top with all the Docker runtime stuff https://github.com/lima-vm/lima https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

Supported by Colima, too: https://github.com/abiosoft/colima/blob/main/README.md#incus

I have never used Podman, but I hear about it very often. I currently use Colima (https://github.com/abiosoft/colima) and I'm very satisfied with it. I have tried to find a good comparison between the two, but I find it hard to have a clear opinion on which one is best for me.

Are you looking to run Debian desktop or server? Have you tried using Colima [1] with a Docker volume, instead of all those heavyweight tools? [1] https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

I first learned about this because colima supports it: https://github.com/abiosoft/colima#incus

And you also have `colima`[0] on top of it that makes working with Docker on the command-line a seamless experience. [0] https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

I thought it's more like Colima than OrbStack https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

What are the real-world benefits over Colima?⁽¹⁾ (Besides having a GUI, which I can do without.) I'm interested in an up-to-date comparison when running the VM with Rosetta 2: colima start --vm-type=vz --vz-rosetta ⁽¹⁾ https://github.com/abiosoft/colima Edit to add: While researching OrbStack, I found this comment in a post from 7 months ago that mirrors a lot about my experience with Colima: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424044

I also suggest https://github.com/abiosoft/colima for containers, "Containers on Lima"

I don't want to dissuade you from Podman Desktop, because Podman is awesome in its own way, but I do hear you about the "uncanny valley" part. I wanted to offer that you don't have to jump all the way to podman (and Podman Desktop) just to escape the Docker Desktop licensing problem. There are a lot of alternatives which a whole spectrum of "I am CLI savvy or not" interaction experiences - Rancher Desktop is A++ and carries a friendly license https://rancherdesktop.io/ -> https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop/blob/v1.1... - colima (and the lima it wraps) -> https://github.com/abiosoft/colima#readme - there's one from AWS called Finch <https://github.com/runfinch/finch> that some of my colleagues like better than colima; YMMV <https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/introducing-finch-an...>