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Ok, so the answer is, "because Rubyists have redefined that phrase"? ;-) Well, by name dropping I was hoping to avoid the appearance of that. :-) Fowler certainly writes about Ruby a lot, but I'd hope he's perceived as general enough to not just be a "Rubyist" (I don't know what he primarily uses). But he also points out that Lisp is a perfectly good host environment for internal DSLs (he calls it the "doyen of internal DSL thinking"). And I also brought up the "fluent interface" thing to suggest that you could call it that if it made you happier. For my tastes, I'm fine with the idea that a "language" reuses a more general purpose language's interpreter and libraries. YMMV. I assume it's something like:... http://github.com/bmizerany/sinatra/blob/work/lib/sinatra/ba... Sure looks similar, but as you can see from all the code abov

Thanks for asking. I'm in Melbourne, Australia ping github.com = 192ms loading http://github.com/bmizerany/sinatra/tree/work = 11000ms (11 secs) wget of the same took between 1000-5000ms (1-5secs) If there's a lot of javascript, that might be slowing it down.

when you're writing HAML, you're programming more and marking up less . . .If you like programming and you don't like writing markup, then the advantage is you have more fun. I second that. I used Sinatra and HAML when I wrote Feedstomper.com and the whole thing just felt lighter and more fun than some Rails apps I've written (when I was also using erb). Granted, the whole concept was lighter than those apps, but still -- I like HAML. One issue: sometimes you can stumble over javascript: http://b.lesseverything.com/2008/2/19/haml-doesn-t-like-java... Oh, and if you're interested in Sinatra (and why not, while we're waiting on Mrailerbs), you can learn it from just this page: http://github.com/bmizerany/sinatra/tree/master