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I made a note on similar happening somewhere... if somebody is interested 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28779342 | I'm sorry 2. https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/39 | I'm sorry 3. https://www.google.com/search?q=.NET+github+enterprise+hacke... 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28847178 | Use of GitHub Enterprise 5. https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/59 | Use of GitHub Enterprise 6. https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/40 | Change in .NET Foundation Leadership 7. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794352 | How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha 8. https://robmensching.com/blog/posts/2021/10/6/how-the-.net-f...

> The primary goal was to centralize billing to give member projects access to additional GitHub services. A secondary goal was to ensure the continuity of membership projects, using requestable admin access, as just described. Seems like a pretty obvious lie. One of the people in the issues forum post about this pointed out how they had not only failed to give them "more services," but rather taken those "services" away over time. (1) Why is no one else calling the obvious here? Their foundation exec director got mad when someone called bullshit on giving the foundation admin over their repo to enforce "code of conduct." So the foundation exec director set out to get them to add the foundation's account to the admin list on their repos so that they could be taken control of in the middle of the night with no warning. This is what happen

As I have no idea about .NET development, I don't really understand the relation between these projects and .NET Foundation. Is .NET foundation paying them money? Or what is the relationship between the projects and Microsoft/.NET Foundation? Reading the "apology" on github, it seems that .NET Foundation/Microsoft thinks those projects are essentially theirs, and they are free to put them under their enterprise account to "simplify billing" https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/39 But reading this article, and the one below, the maintainers think otherwise? https://www.glennwatson.net/posts/dnf-problems-solutions There are also some notes about copyright that I don't understand. Who owns the copyright? Microsoft or the maintainers? edit: From the github "apology": > Projects might not fully understand what joining the .NET

Au Contraire. From the bylaws posted publicly so far, it seems, they aren't truly independent of each other. Microsoft is the "Founding Member" of the .NET Foundation. They are entitled to appoint an Exec. Director (ED) and the board has no say in this matter (The current ED is the person who forced a commit on a member project). The ED's tenure has no expiry other than when Microsoft feels the need to change (or they leave). All other board members are elected for a set term. Lastly, the ED can block any board resolution; aka, the elected board needs Microsoft's blessing to do literally anything. Source: https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/39#dis...

That’s where the poor & questionable transparency comes in, they try to market it as independent but it was formed and funded by Microsoft with the Executive Director whose performing all the objectionable actions an MS employee who is also the only person that is able to approve all material changes made to the foundation whose position can only be filled by the founding member who is Microsoft, in effect they are the silent hand making all the power moves to its member projects without their consent, wishes or even a courtesy notification. Then to try downplay the bad PR you had the MS VP Director with no visible ties to the foundation willing to jump on a call to disgruntled members so they can downplay their MS foundation employees actions behind close doors. https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/39#dis...

Project maintainers had their projects moved from their public GitHub accounts to the DNF's GitHub Enterprise account without notice. Some maintainers only found out about the transfers of their projects because of this[1] discussion. [1] https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/38

Please read this discussion[1]. The issue goes far beyond a pull request. Project maintainers had their projects moved from their public GitHub accounts to the DNF's GitHub Enterprise account without notice. Some maintainers only found out about the transfers of their projects because of this[1] discussion. [1] https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/38

I was wondering about that too. If that’s the case — and that’s a big if… I don’t think we should assume it’s true — then her apology probably failed to address the root outrage of the decision to move projects to the enterprise account without warning or consent. They may be entitled to do this, but anyone with a patent is also entitled to enforce that patent. An enforcement decision needs to be made with great care. In this case, they end up sounding tone deaf (https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/39#dis... has a bunch of justifications about why their decision makes sense, and all I can do is shake my head, even though it is technically correct).

I was ready to agree with you. And then I read https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/38 And then I realized: her apology here isn’t addressing the root concerns. But it’s addressing everything she has authority to address. Therefore, it’s the best apology possible, but people may be upset because e.g. her merging a PR without discussion is perhaps less anxiety-inducing than the idea that your GitHub repo can be moved without warning to a separate enterprise account (if I’m reading this correctly). I assume she can’t address the latter, since it’s unrelated to her. But she quite thoroughly addressed the former — which is great! — but perhaps she should have distanced herself in her apology from the other happenings that people have brought up. I don’t know. It was just sort of shocking to read “they transferred my GitHub re

There is also the fact that some projects were moved from their maintainers' public GitHub accounts to the DNF's GitHub Enterprise accounts without notice. If you read this discussion[1], several maintainers only found out today that their projects have moved accounts because reading the thread itself prompted them to double-check. [1] https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/38