umbrel

There's a Github link for the os, but it is under some strange not-quite OSS or Free Software license... https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

You misunderstand how licensing works. They can build an entirely closed source OS around the Linux kernel if they want. The only thing they'd have to publish is the changes to the kernel itself. I don't see why they'd need to modify the kernel so they'd have to publish absolutely nothing! But to answer your question, umbrelOS is debian. You're right that they don't advertise that fact anywhere (that I've seen). They use rugpi to build a preconfigured image that includes their changes and their software. All the details are indeed public and open, if you know what you're looking for: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/tree/master/packages/os

Yes looks like they offer the OS for Raspberry pi and "any x86 system" https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

Sorry, isn't this running an open-source OS? The header has a link to a github with a non-commercial license[0]. If so, couldn't you just use the OS on non-premium-priced mini-PC hardware and never have to worry about them locking you out of your box? I guess maybe it's concerning if you're being forced to update by the OS? I've never actually run a system like that, but was considering umbrel OS (didn't actually know about the hardware until this post), so if I'm being naive about something, it's in earnest. [0] https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

Here's a comparison on running it on your own hardware vs. theirs: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/wiki/umbrelOS-on-Umbrel-...

Have you checked out Umbrel[1]? You can self-host Umbrel on your own hardware[2]. I'm not sure if they allow for multiple nodes to stay in sync. If (/once) they do, it'd solve for disasters / availability as well. [1]: https://umbrel.com [2]: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel

Umbrel's homepage seems uncomfortably slick, they're selling hardware but the OS is free to use. The app store seems to have more cryptocurrency apps than I'd expect from a general-purpose self-hosting service, and lacks Miniflux, Breezewiki, and Rimgo, though it has Invidious, Nitter, and Syncthing. And the OS seems to live under a noncommercial-only license (https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/blob/master/LICENSE.md). Overall the vibes seem to run somewhat in conflict with the "by the community, for the community" ethos I'm more interested in. Perhaps if I have the free time (haha when?) I might see if I can polish up Sandstorm for my personal uses, or if it's more work than juggling Docker containers or AUR packages.

This appears to share lineage with Umbrel. I haven't looked deeply enough to make any particular claims, but I feel fairly confident that one of these projects is violating someone's copyright. For an example, compare https://github.com/meienberger/runtipi/blob/master/scripts/a... with https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/blob/master/scripts/app.

There is a License FAQ [0], in which it says: > Selling Umbrel, including selling cloud-hosted instances with Umbrel or its derivates, home server hardware with Umbrel or its derivates, support services for Umbrel or its derivates, etc is not permitted under our license. [0]: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel/wiki/License-FAQ

> It's a perfectly justifiable decision... Especially when one of the VC firms that funds your project is also the one behind formulation of the PolyForm set of licenses, I'd imagine. At least, PolyForm is better, in some sense, than fully closed source projects built atop other MIT/BSD/Apache licensed projects (say, the V8 JavaScript engine ;), and never shared. The only reason I dislike non-OSI approved licenses are, the "users" of such licenses want to have their cake and eat it too: As in, they want to project open source ethos while also denying the advantages/rights otherwise afforded by Open Source, as defined by the OSI. Imo, source-available licenses are justified only when companies using it are honest about their intentions and forthcoming about the license's limitations. Nothing specific on Umbrel, but generally, misdirection

Umbrel's source code is public and there's no vendor lock-in: https://github.com/getumbrel/umbrel