catalyst

> but architecturally they're inadequate for solving the problems modern frameworks and libraries address Such as? Do you think these are inherent limitation? Is it possible to get to an "adequate" place with webcomponents alone? Or with web component based frameworks or libraries? > that's why you see them used nearly nowhere Little companies you have have heard of using webcomponents extensively: YouTube, many Google properties, GitHub. Personally I'm hella sad that this industry doesn't make new js frameworks like they used to. It now takes a Microsoft or a Facebook's name recognition for people to pay attention. And where-as before many people tried, devs in the React age see themselves not as capable web makers, but as downstream React craftsmen; we don't recognize in ourselves that we create & shape our development experience, are l

With apologies, a lot of these feel like a grab bag of elements. But Keith Cirkel's Invoker/Actions feels like a big paradigm idea, something that de-javascriptizes & encodes in html the primary intents of the web. There's something super enticing here, a slim/trim layer of paradigm, which honestly we have seen little of expressed in the web itself (whereas libraries have spiraled towards their own meaning). (Maybe css scopes being a good counter example forwards.) https://open-ui.org/components/invokers.explainer (There's also Keith's Interest Invokers, https://open-ui.org/components/interest-invokers.explainer/) Keith is Github's Catalyst framework's primary author. Very Stencil.js inspired, and a clear predecessor of the ideas here; actions and targets. A similar casting of intent out of js and into the DOM. Declare the world! https://

Reminds me of GitHub catalyst web component framework (and I think related to stimulusjs?), which has targets & actions. https://github.com/github/catalyst <button data-action="click:hello-world#greet"> I love the intentionality of this: it makes intent evident. It's also fun & easy to script!

Still working to get to launch, but been very happy using Github Catalyst[1], a Basecamp Stimulus inspired library for easily authoring Web Components. [1] https://github.com/github/catalyst

Personally, I'd really like to see the unmolested, with-dependencies versions[1]. This version is VERY easy to ship and adopt. But in my mind, these components hide how the sausage is made! Many were built with a library (Catalyst[2]), but the tools were obfuscated out in these end products. There's a huge amount to be said for these web components. We need more models like this. But I also think there's an opportunity lost here, to teach, to inform, to help others learn how to build components, using the tech Github actually used to develop them. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26439167 [2] https://github.com/github/catalyst

I was hoping to see a couple use Catalyst[1] but checked a couple & appears not so. [1] https://github.com/github/catalyst