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rust-prehistory
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graydon / rust-prehistory

rust-prehistory

historical archive of rust pre-publication development

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13Mentions
0Explicit recommenders
739GitHub stars
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historical archive of rust pre-publication development

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This week on Hacker News

Nov 7–Nov 14 UTC · Direct repository links and separately labeled related project stories. Indexed through 11/14/2026, 3:56:07 PM UTC.

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Mentions over time

HN mentions by year13 dated mentions

Observed mentions: 2016-11-08 11:08:45 UTC to 2024-10-24 15:21:10 UTC.

012342016-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2017-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 2 mentions; 1 submissions, 1 comments20162017-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2018-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 comments2018-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2019-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 comments2019-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 1 submissions, 0 comments20202021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 2 mentions; 0 submissions, 2 comments2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 4 mentions; 1 submissions, 3 comments2023-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2024-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2024-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2025-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 2 mentions; 0 submissions, 2 comments2024

Counts come from the repository’s dated source evidence. Index cutoff: 2026-11-02 08:16:59 UTC.

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PeriodStart (UTC)End (exclusive, UTC)MentionsSubmissionsComments
20162016-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2017-01-01 00:00:00 UTC211
20172017-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2018-01-01 00:00:00 UTC101
20182018-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2019-01-01 00:00:00 UTC101
20192019-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-01-01 00:00:00 UTC000
20202020-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC110
20212021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC202
20222022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2023-01-01 00:00:00 UTC413
20232023-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2024-01-01 00:00:00 UTC000
20242024-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2025-01-01 00:00:00 UTC202

What Hacker News says

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> "No invisible magic" was a promise that Rust made to us. Honest question, where did you get that promise from? The 1.0 release didn't really emphasize that: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2015/05/15/Rust-1.0.html The current rhetoric is more about empowering more people to have confidence in systems programming: https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/foreword.html Some of graydon's ideas starting almost a decade before 1.0 might have included that https://github.com/graydon/rust-prehistory/blob/df8cc964772b... but his recent posts on what he would have done differently if he was BDFL include a bunch of stuff that's arguably more magical, not less: https://graydon2.dreamwidth.org/307291.html
In Async Rust in Three Parts
> Rust was invented with an elevator firmware use cases in mind. The inventor happened to work for Mozilla, so it got traction in the lower level parts of Firefox next. TechSpot is referring (without attribution) to an interview the MIT Technology Review did with Hoare, and tacked on a claim that Rust was invented "to prevent issues such as his elevator breaking down" that isn't there in the source material. Elevator firmware is not systems software in any case, and the Rust manual Hoare authored states: > Rust's goals arise from the context of writing large programs that interact with the internet -- both servers and clients -- and are thus much more concerned with safety and concurrency than older generations of program. https://github.com/graydon/rust-prehistory/blob/master/doc/r... The language described there relies on a much larger
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runtime than Rust today does. It is no systems language. Later it even grew things like the @ garbage-collected pointers. Those would eventually go away as it turned out that people writing apps don't want to think about memory at all (and are better served by using a real apps language) and Rust instead started embracing its potential as a systems language: > Although Rust didn't start out that way, one of the most interesting applications of Rust has been very low-level programming, even down to the level of kernels. The interest in this application of Rust was something of a surprise to us, but in hindsight it makes perfect sense. Low-level control over memory management isn't something that most applications software, especially on the server side, wants; most of that software has migrated over to languages like Java, Ruby, and JavaScript that trade control and performance for convenience by making memory management automatically, and dynamically, managed by the runtime. The remaining class of software, most of which is written in C and C++, is software that must manage memory manually in order to achieve some combination of performance, simplicity, and/or the ability to self-host. The prospect of using a new language for this class of software, which includes OS kernels, game engines, and browser engines among others, is what is fueling the growth of the nascent Rust community. https://pcwalton.github.io/_posts/2013-06-02-removing-garbag... For a lot of systems software, and I am thinking of system service managers ("init systems") in particular, failing and restarting is not viable. OOM conditions must be recoverable. Rust has recognised this and is trying to correct the course they went down in its early days of ignoring this, being unimportant for an apps language, but vital for a systems language. One feature they have taken to is throwing panics on OOM conditions: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/43596 These "panics" can unwind the stack and be caught with panic::catch_unwind, but with the proviso of only "sometimes". If you take that at face value, then it's not a very useful feature. The implication in the issue linked above however is that this could become a viable way to recover from OOM conditions. And the mechanism proposed there is indistinguishable from exceptions other than that it's insisted that it has nothing to do with exceptions and that you can't rely on it catching panics for you.
In Safe C++
As Graydon Hoare notes in the comments on GitHub this wasn't the first repo so the real history goes back even further. He's also shared a "prehistory" repo [1] which is interesting to browse. The first commit [2] in _that_ repo is from 2008 but Graydon mentions starting work back in 2006. Anyway in a sense this repo represents Rust in the real world rather than in gestation, so seems apt to call it the birthday. [1] https://github.com/graydon/rust-prehistory [2] https://github.com/graydon/rust-prehistory/commit/1969e085e3...
In Happy 12th Birthday, Rust
Rust used to be developed by Graydon Hoare for years until it became a team project. There is a rust-prehistory repo which shows this: https://github.com/graydon/rust-prehistory/graphs/contributo... After the initial commit in the "group" repo, development of the language has switched to a team instead of a single person, with the introduction of additional contributors. This holds even if you only look at the pre-1.0 days which established the core concepts of the Rust language as it stands today (the original language when the team started to work on it was a bit different to 1.0). https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/graphs/contributors?from=2... The work since 1.0 can be classified as a massive refinement project, which also does not have a single leader. Zig on the other hand does have a single main contributor/maintainer/creator: https
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In Rust heads into the kernel?

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