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nmattia / niv

niv

Easy dependency management for Nix projects

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What it is

Easy dependency management for Nix projects

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This week on Hacker News

Nov 7–Nov 14 UTC · Direct repository links and separately labeled related project stories. Indexed through 11/14/2026, 3:03:16 PM UTC.

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Observed mentions: 2020-04-15 23:44:40 UTC to 2022-08-07 15:56:19 UTC.

0122020-04-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-05-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 commentsApr 20202020-05-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-06-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-06-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-07-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-07-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-08-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-08-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-09-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-09-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-10-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-10-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-11-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-11-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-12-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-12-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-02-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-02-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 2 mentions; 2 submissions, 0 comments2021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-06-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-06-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-07-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 commentsJun 20212021-07-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 comments2021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-09-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-09-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-10-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 comments2021-10-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-11-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-11-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-12-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-12-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-02-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-02-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-03-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-03-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-04-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-04-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-05-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-05-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-06-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-06-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-07-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-07-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-08-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-08-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-09-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 commentsAug 2022

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May 20202020-05-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-06-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Sep 20202020-09-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-10-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Dec 20202020-12-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Feb 20212021-02-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Mar 20212021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Apr 20212021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC220
May 20212021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-06-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Jul 20212021-07-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC101
Aug 20212021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-09-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Oct 20212021-10-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-11-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Dec 20212021-12-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Jan 20222022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-02-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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What Hacker News says

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maartenh·Aug 7, 2022
I agree that the FP part is not the only issue. It's that the community feels a bit more academic/I'll fix this for myself in the way that works best for me. You can indeed achieve some reproducibility with Docker. It's tricky though, as you'd have to pin exact package versions of software. If you'd `FROM ubuntu:$VERION`, and would run an `apt-get update`, you're not guaranteed to get the same software. Nix is like ZFS, as that it breaks the wall between two previously distinct area's. Those being building software, and installing/configuration software on your OS. It's quite different from the snapshot-everything methodology that Docker uses. Yeah, one can split in multi-stage images etc, but than you'll be keeping track of which dependencies need to be moved between the stages yourself, in a manner that cannot be abstracted away, so you
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're doomed to repeat the same patterns over and over again. People also state that LVM + ext3 is more than sufficient compared to the complexity of ZFS. They miss out on the fact on how much more fine grained solutions are possible with ZFS. I've used niv [0] before flakes arrived, and am actually still using that instead of flakes. The experimental nature of them has scared me away from them, as I'm not daily involved in this ecosystem at the moment. [0] https://github.com/nmattia/niv#niv
In Our Roadmap for Nix
dmitriid·Sep 20, 2021
The more I see posts praising nix, the more I am confused by the decisions made. In this post: --- start quote --- How about a different version of Ruby or Node? Let’s say that our project depends on Ruby 2.6 and Node 10. We can go and search for those specific versions --- end quote --- So, to begin with, we still need a "version manager", because we want specific package versions. But look at how this is implemented in nix: let pkgs = import <nixpkgs> { }; in pkgs.mkShell { buildInputs = [ pkgs.hello pkgs.ruby_2_6 pkgs.nodejs-10_x ]; } Why? Because unlike every sane package/dependency manager where you specify a package and a version, nix pretends each version is a separate package. And these packages aren't even correct. If you do go and search for ruby, for example [1], you get the following: r
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uby Version: 2.7.4 ruby_3_0 Version: 3.0.2 ruby_2_6 Version: 2.6.8 This... This is laughable. How do I install ruby 2.6.8? Oh, there's no ruby_2_6_8, because of course there isn't. And this could be difference between a secure system and all your base are belong to us. And they call this reproducible builds? And that's before getting into the ridiculous --- start quote --- All the software that we installed depends on the specific version of the nixpkgs channel that we installed on our system [whose only version is a commit hash in a git repo] --- end quote --- So you need an extra tool [2] for, quote, "painless dependencies for Nix projects." Yes, sure. I'm definitely ditching my version managers in favor of this tool, that hasn't solved these issues in 18 years of its existence. [1] https://search.nixos.org/packages?channel=21.05&from=0&size=... [2] https://github.com/nmattia/niv
In Ditch your version manager
takeda·Apr 15, 2020
Agree, nix itself is actually fairly simple. What it is hard though is functional programming, an that's the biggest road block for developers that are used to imperative programming. Places that use functional language for their code base don't have problems picking it up. It is especially big in Haskell community, because Haskell is also lazily evaluated. People might wonder why not use language that more people are familiar? The reason for it is that purely functional and lazily evaluated language is basically behind Nix's biggest strengths. Purely functional means for the same inputs(architecture + source code + dependencies + configuration options + etc) you should get the same output, there's no mutable state the languages always starts the evaluations from a known state. Why lazily evaluated? That makes the Nix only evaluate things
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that are necessary to obtain given derivation. I think when people talk about Nix being confusing they really mean NixPkgs. Which is like a stdlib of Nix. The thing is that Nixpkgs in a constant flux people who work on it work on different components somewhat independently. Also often they realize better ways of doing things, and often the documentation doesn't keep with it. I think that Nix needs some kind of mechanism for literate programming where documentation would live together with the code and would be updated at the same time. There are some effort for example like the NixOS options page is generated from the source, but that's just just small part of Nix and only applies to NixOS. I also would love if nix would standardize on how to pin nixpkgs. I recently discovered Niv[1] and it makes reproducible builds so much easier. I think Nix also needs some opinionated tooling to create dev environment for each supported languages, currently people need to do it themselves, and it takes a lot of research. I think Niv + lorri + direnv make dev experience extremely enjoyable. For example a python project set up that way. Once you enter the directory, you have the exact version of Python installed that has all the dependencies (of course with locked versions) and all extra development tooling that developers need with exact same versions. All you need is just run the application and it just works every time. If somebody broke something you can easily use git bisect to find when and why it broke. Nix fails to document though how a new user get to that point, and desperately needs help there. [1] https://github.com/nmattia/niv
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