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Here [0] is an example of what it looks like. Took some digging to find, really should be more prominent on the site. It's very elegant! I can't fully grasp everything that's happening but the visual appearance of the syntax alone is interesting. [0] https://github.com/red/code/blob/master/Scripts/clock.red

It mixes them because it's a small educational example, no one stops you from following MVC practices if you want. Most of the Red GUI examples I know of are "programming in the small", like CRUD interfaces, games, and various interactive environments. [1, 2] The graphical engine relies on OS widgets internally right now, which are resource-heavy and don't scale well (at least on Win32 backend each widget is just that, a window); in the future, more lightweight graphical objects (aka GOBs) will be introduced for use-cases like spreadsheets and data-intensive apps, there's already a PoC for that. [3] For evaluation and benchmarking, I recommend to check out 7GUIs project [4] and add Keera Hails entries to it; here [5] is Red implementation, for comparison. Some tasks in it directly address MVC separation of concerns. [1]: https://github.co

Red language offers a different approach: https://github.com/red/code/blob/master/Showcase/calculator.... Truly native and cross-platform GUI with declarative DSL for its specification, built-in reactive framework (no FRP though), and semantically rich evaluation model (e.g. note that calculation of typed expression is a one-liner).

> Red ... docs are nonexistent On the contrary, View and VID have moderately good reference documentation [1]. Even if that's not enough for you, the community is always there to help [2]. > Not sure if this is viable To give you a rough understanding of what's possible, the implementation of all 7GUIs [3] tasks in Red takes roughly 270 LOC [4]. There are plenty of other examples at [5] and elsewhere. [1]: https://doc.red-lang.org/en/gui.html [2]: https://gitter.im/red/help [3]: https://eugenkiss.github.io/7guis [4]: https://github.com/9214/7guis-red [5]: https://github.com/red/code

Nice to see Rebol and Red mentioned! Here's a Red version of the calculator: https://github.com/red/code/blob/master/Showcase/calculator.... You can see the syntax is very close. We strive for compatibility with Rebol, but are also changing things that we feel could be improved. A small twist on the UI can use a `panel`, which supports a divider option to make grid layout easier. e.g., for 4 items across, you can do this: view [ style b: button 50x50 bold panel 4 [ b "1" b "2" b "3" b "+" b "4" b "5" b "6" b "-" b "7" b "8" b "9" b "*" b "0" b "." b "/" b "=" ] ] Red is fully open source, and can be compiled. Most code anyway. You can write code that is too dynamic to compile until we go JIT. Red is bootstrapped in Rebol, but will be self hosted next year. It is al