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SecureValueRecovery
Rust2020–2022
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SecureValueRecovery

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This week on Hacker News

Nov 7–Nov 14 UTC · Direct repository links and separately labeled related project stories. Indexed through 11/14/2026, 3:56:07 PM UTC.

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Observed mentions: 2020-05-19 23:10:13 UTC to 2022-08-16 03:17:18 UTC.

0122020-05-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-06-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 2 mentions; 0 submissions, 2 commentsMay 20202020-06-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-07-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-07-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-08-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-08-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-09-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-09-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-10-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-10-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-11-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-11-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2020-12-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2020-12-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-02-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-02-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-06-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 comments2021-06-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-07-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 commentsJun 20212021-07-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-09-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-09-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-10-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-10-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-11-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-11-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2021-12-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2021-12-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-02-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-02-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-03-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-03-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-04-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-04-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-05-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-05-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-06-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-06-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-07-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-07-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-08-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2022-08-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2022-09-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 2 mentions; 0 submissions, 2 commentsAug 2022

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May 20202020-05-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-06-01 00:00:00 UTC202
Jun 20202020-06-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-07-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Jul 20202020-07-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-08-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Aug 20202020-08-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-09-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Sep 20202020-09-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-10-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Oct 20202020-10-01 00:00:00 UTC2020-11-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Dec 20202020-12-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Jan 20212021-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-02-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Feb 20212021-02-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Mar 20212021-03-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Apr 20212021-04-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC000
May 20212021-05-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-06-01 00:00:00 UTC101
Jun 20212021-06-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-07-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Jul 20212021-07-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Aug 20212021-08-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-09-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Sep 20212021-09-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-10-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Oct 20212021-10-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-11-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Nov 20212021-11-01 00:00:00 UTC2021-12-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Dec 20212021-12-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Jan 20222022-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-02-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Feb 20222022-02-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-03-01 00:00:00 UTC000
Mar 20222022-03-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-04-01 00:00:00 UTC000
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Aug 20222022-08-01 00:00:00 UTC2022-09-01 00:00:00 UTC202

What Hacker News says

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Basically, they planned to get around much of the problem by depending on a very insecure secure enclave to make up for a lack of basic sound security practices. The scheme they came up with to store user data in the cloud was described here: https://signal.org/blog/secure-value-recovery/ The code is here: https://github.com/signalapp/SecureValueRecovery This site does a pretty good job of explaining why this isn't a good design: https://palant.info/2020/06/16/does-signals-secure-value-rec... I'm sure I've linked to it already, but please review the discussion here as well: https://community.signalusers.org/t/sgx-cacheout-sgaxe-attac... Even more details here: https://community.signalusers.org/t/wiki-faq-signal-pin-svr-...
In Twilio incident: What Signal users need to know
I know. I really wish they had a simple page that explains everything. They've gone to great lengths to be confusing about what they're collecting and how. There were several complaints about misleading communication when this change rolled out Examples: https://community.signalusers.org/t/dont-want-pin-dont-want-... https://old.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/htmzrr/psa_disablin... They've never updated their privacy policy to cover their new data collection practices even after requests (see https://community.signalusers.org/t/can-signal-please-update...) The scheme they came up with to store user data in the cloud was described here: https://signal.org/blog/secure-value-recovery/ The code is here: https://github.com/signalapp/SecureValueRecovery This site does a pretty good job of explaining why this isn't a good design: https://palant.i
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nfo/2020/06/16/does-signals-secure-value-rec... Lots of discussion here: https://community.signalusers.org/t/proper-secure-value-secu... and also https://community.signalusers.org/t/sgx-cacheout-sgaxe-attac... Even more details here: https://community.signalusers.org/t/wiki-faq-signal-pin-svr-... The major change was that pins were mandatory initially but the UX was so bad they had to give people a way to opt out of setting a pin. There is no opting out of having your profile/contacts data collected and stored in the cloud though.
In Twilio incident: What Signal users need to know
if it's anything like what other big players are doing: the attempts are limited and the code will destroy its knowledge of the key once you reach this limit. Looking at the code quickly I see that nothing is documented and it's not clear what code gets executed there. So good luck understanding what they're doing. But it seems to be using Raft, probably to bring several HSMs to consensus on what's the state of the number of attempts. And it does seem to erase stuff if you reach some threshold of attempts: https://github.com/signalapp/SecureValueRecovery/blob/00d023... My follow up question is: what prevents someone from destroying your account's backup key by entering wrong PINs for your account?
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