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more-ane-transformers
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smpanaro / more-ane-transformers

more-ane-transformers

Run transformers (incl. LLMs) on the Apple Neural Engine.

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What it is

Run transformers (incl. LLMs) on the Apple Neural Engine.

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This week on Hacker News

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0122023-04-10 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-04-17 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 2 mentions; 0 submissions, 2 commentsApr 102023-04-17 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-04-24 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-04-24 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-05-01 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-05-01 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-05-08 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-05-08 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-05-15 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-05-15 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-05-22 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-05-22 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-05-29 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-05-29 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-06-05 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-06-05 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-06-12 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-06-12 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-06-19 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-06-19 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-06-26 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-06-26 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-07-03 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-07-03 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-07-10 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-07-10 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-07-17 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 commentsJul 102023-07-17 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-07-24 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-07-24 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-07-31 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-07-31 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-08-07 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-08-07 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-08-14 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-08-14 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-08-21 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-08-21 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-08-28 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-08-28 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-09-04 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-09-04 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-09-11 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-09-11 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-09-18 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-09-18 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-09-25 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-09-25 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-10-02 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-10-02 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-10-09 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 0 mentions; 0 submissions, 0 comments2023-10-09 00:00:00 UTC to 2023-10-16 00:00:00 UTC (exclusive): 1 mentions; 0 submissions, 1 commentsOct 9

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What Hacker News says

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You can do autoregressive decoding with KV caching on the Neural Engine. You have to make a bit of a trade off and use fixed size inputs [1] but the speed up over no caching is meaningful. There's a Whisper (Encoder-Decoder) [2] implementation if you want to see it in practice. Shameless plug, but I have a repo [3] where I'm working on autoregressive text generation on the Neural Engine. I'm running gpt2-xl (1.5B params) locally with KV caching at 120ms/token (vs. 450ms without caching). Will push an update soon. Without quantization you can't go much higher than 1.5B params on M1's Neural Engine. M2 seems to have a higher ceiling but I haven't measured. I'm optimistic (but have not tried) that the new runtime quantization added to CoreML this year will allow for larger (and maybe faster) models on both. [1] Technically you should be able
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to use 1 input with an enumerated set of sizes but I haven't been able to get it to work on the Neural Engine. This would likely be even faster. [2] https://github.com/wangchou/whisper.coreml/ [3] https://github.com/smpanaro/more-ane-transformers/
In M2 Ultra can run 128 streams of Llama 2 7B in parallel
If Apple would wake up to what's happening with llama.cpp etc then I don't see such a market in paying for remote access to big models via API, though it's currently the only game in town. Currently a Macbook has a Neural Engine that is sitting idle 99% of the time and only suitable for running limited models (poorly documented, opaque rules about what ops can be accelerated, a black box compiler [1] and an apparent 3GB model size limit [2]) OTOH you can buy a Macbook with 64GB 'unified' memory and a Neural Engine today If you squint a bit and look into the near future it's not so hard to imagine a future Mx chip with a more capable Neural Engine and yet more RAM, and able to run the largest GPT3 class models locally. (Ideally with better developer tools so other compilers can target the NE) And then imagine it does that while leaving the
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CPU+GPU mostly free to run apps/games ... the whole experience of using a computer could change radically in that case. I find it hard not to think this is coming within 5 years (although equally, I can imagine this is not on Apple's roadmap at all currently) [1] https://github.com/hollance/neural-engine [2] https://github.com/smpanaro/more-ane-transformers/blob/main/...
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