triton

For whatever it's worth, SmartDataCenter, Joyent's open source SmartOS-based system for operating a cloud[1], does exactly this[2] -- and (as explained in an old but still technically valid video[3]) we have found it to be a huge, huge win. And we even made good on the Docker piece when we used SDC as the engine behind Triton[4] -- and have found it all to be every bit as potent as you suggest![5] [1] https://github.com/joyent/sdc [2] https://github.com/joyent/sdc/blob/master/docs/developer-gui... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieGWbo94geE [4] https://www.joyent.com/blog/triton-docker-and-the-best-of-al... [5] https://www.joyent.com/blog/spin-up-a-docker-dev-test-enviro...

@geofft that is a great link, our CTO Bryan Cantrill continued to beat the drum at the Docker SF meetup in May 6, 2015. Video and transcript at https://www.joyent.com/developers/videos/bryan-cantrill-virt... . My favorite line is, "And, so in terms of the security of containers, from our perspective they have to be secure because if you're able to break out of a container into the global zone of SmartOS, you could delete the company." Yesterday at http://containersummit.io/, Bryan's talk "Going Container Native" (video coming soon) was in the same vein, SmartOS (illumos) directly benefits from its Solaris lineage -- Solaris Zones were engineered for security. We, Joyent, absolutely do believe Triton has the security properties that everyone seems to want out of Docker, because Joyent has been running OS containers in multi-tenant producti

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Having seen how proactive our support team is and active in seeing customer's through maintenance and upgrades, my guess is that is the context. All the information and technology is there in SDC. Without Joyent Support, it would require riding the change logs and announcements and taking it fully into your hands. https://github.com/joyent/sdc#community

Would you quote the bits here, so I can clarify with the product side of the house? We have not and never will let anything jeopardize the continued security of any SDC deployments. SDC having update channels is under active development: 'As of sdcadm version 1.5.5 and the release-20150319, SmartDataCenter has preliminary support for update "channels". A "channel" is separate stream of built SDC components with different stability characteristics.' https://github.com/joyent/sdc/blob/master/docs/operator-guid... I image that the support channel will be the most conservative.

That's a good thing to clarify. It's not an open core system like Mac OS X. SmartDataCenter is open source and Triton is our product branding. https://github.com/joyent/sdc There is work in progress to clean up and open source the self-serve portal and its dependencies. The propriety bits are not ours: "The Joyent SDC USB images offered to our customers contain certain firmware binaries for use with Joyent-branded hardware. We cannot make that software generally available in the open source builds; however, it is available to all who have purchased Joyent-branded hardware and is of no use without that hardware." https://docs.joyent.com/sdc7/obtaining-software

You might want to consider Joyent's Smart Data Center. It is all opensource and you can buy support. A lot of the people leaving the engineering teams at Sun/Oracle ended up at Joyent. I think datacenter platforms will start to look more like "Cloud Hosting" and less like it currently does where we basically just slice up a server into many different servers. https://www.joyent.com/private-cloud https://github.com/joyent/sdc

SmartDataCenter[1] was recently open sourced and is built on a lot of cool tech (ZFS, Dtrace, node.js, Illumos). [1]: https://github.com/joyent/sdc/

Yes, by inheriting the OpenSolaris legacy, illumos was essentially born in production, having been used in production very nearly since its inception. We at Joyent have our own illumos-derivative, SmartOS[1], that is the foundation of our own public cloud -- and of our (open source) orchestration software, SmartDataCenter[2] and of our object storage system, Manta[3]. OmniTI has OmniOS[4] which they (and others) have deployed extensively into production. Delphix (the origin of this post) has DelphixOS[5] which forms the basis of their data management virtual appliances, also widely deployed in production. Finally, if you're interested in the (complicated) history of the system, you might be interested in a talk that I gave a few years ago[6] that is somewhat infamous for its candor. ;) [1] http://smartos.org [2] https://github.com/joy

As pointed out in the comments on that thread, be aware that essentially all of the negatives about ZFS boil down to FUD. In particular, upstream is emphatically not dead (the recent OpenZFS summit[1] was packed -- as was the hackathon the next day), which can be easily verified just by looking at the commits to illumos.[2] As for "well known data base [sic] degradation", all I can say is that we run ZFS as a backend for Postgres all over our public cloud -- both ourselves as part of SmartDataCenter[3] and Manta[4] and with high profile customers -- and we have not seen any ZFS-related performance issues. And please don't get me started on the Oracle-related FUD... [1] http://open-zfs.org/wiki/OpenZFS_Developer_Summit [2] https://github.com/illumos/illumos-gate/commits/master [3] https://github.com/joyent/sdc [4] https://github.com/joyen