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Other people do fork Firefox though, like Zen browser https://zen-browser.app/ https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop

I really want to like zen but every so often it eats all my RAM. Many have reported similar issues. https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/issues/8932

1. Zen Browser had remote debugging enabled by default and disabled the security prompt for it. Extreme incompetence or malice? https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/pull/927 2. Social trackers are selectively allowed, unsigned extensions are enabled by default, and Enhanced Tracking Protection isn't fully implemented. There's just a theme of incompetence, trying to cover it up and just in general being clueless about security.

There is a browser out there which does something like that for every site. It has a separate area for the tabs, instead of using the full window. That could be okay. But it has a margin around it. Which means that every single scrollbar for every single page does not go to the edge of the screen, completely sabotaging easily hitting the scrollbar. Welcome to the genius of the zen browser. https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/issues/1126 is the issue, closed as they won't fix it (thus my snark). > In the last decade however the trend appears to have reversed: it is now fashionable be to make the scrollbar as difficult to click as possible, by offsetting it, making it narrower, or hiding it altogether. Afaik Ubuntu jumpstarted it with their minified GTK scrollbar, used in their Unity DE. But that thing was actually smart: It slimmed down

It is impressive what a single person with a vision can achieve hacking away on Firefox, especially considering Mozilla's track record in recent years. A bus factor of 1 is still a bit red flag on something as involved as browser maintenance. Hopefully a community can emerge around the project. ref: https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/graphs/contributors

why not Zen https://zen-browser.app/ ? I've found it just as good AND it's open source https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop

I think that page on the sizeof.cat website was created before Zen removed a lot of the telemetry. Here's the PR created on April 27, after the article was created https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/pull/7901/files

Starting a bit of a tangent here I admit, but this makes me much more worried about the future of mobile browsing. Sure, soon enough a decent non-chromium based desktop browser will come along, be it Zen or something else, but what about the mobile world? Right now firefox is perfect for me: It makes the web browsable by allowing ublock origin, it syncs my tabs, history and bookmarks, it's great. Moving to a scenario that we have a different browser on the desktop and a different one on the phone or, worse, the same on the phone but without adblocking sounds like a huge regression. P.S. Regarding Zen: If you want to be taken seriously, or at least as something more than a toy project, teaching your maintainers how to talk to your (potential) users will go a long way. Telling them off will not gain you any friends. (I'm referring to the gi

Is it worth adding (2024) to the title? That "backdoor" (remote debugging) was an issue dated 24 aug 2024. https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/pull/927 Current title made it seem like it's an active issue, when clicking on the link it leads to a discussion forum about "Telemtry and privacy issues", so even the title and the link does not match.

I think it’s important to raise issues with project maintainers directly before publicizing issues and that’s been the case here however the devs are not really responding appropriately or showing a massive lack of incompetence. For those not aware, Zen browser markets itself as privacy conscious browser however a serious backdoor has been found and multiple topics regarding its lack of privacy has been practically ignored. It think it’s important to raise awareness of this as the browser is gaining popularity and it’s clear the devs lack the experience to secure the browser. Edit Other github issues with lack of interest from devs https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/discussions/5907#disc... https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/issues/5947

I did not. However considering that they have advertised themselves as "privacy-focused" Firefox alternative and can't be bothered to do the most superficial of tests, I don't think they care or are competent[1] enough to change it. [1] https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/pull/927 If you want an actual private Firefox alternative there are already multiple long standing and competent projects such as arkenfox, librewolf, mullvad and tor browser.

you should add zen browser[1] too, i tried some from your list, librewolf breaks some websites (online banking doesn't work) floorp is a good one, but in my experience zen is better. 1: https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop