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matrix-spec-proposals

Proposals for changes to the matrix specification

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Proposals for changes to the matrix specification

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Yup. One of the biggest learnings of E2EE in Matrix is that the complexity is 95% user experience. However, in Element X, we've been determined to get it right - although there…

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20172017-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2018-01-01 00:00:00 UTC303
20182018-01-01 00:00:00 UTC2019-01-01 00:00:00 UTC202
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Matrix Specification Proposals This repository contains proposals for changes to the Matrix Protocol, aka "Matrix Spec Changes" (MSCs). The proposals directory contains MSCs which have been accepted. See below for instructions for creating new proposals. See also https://spec.matrix.org/proposals/ for more information on the MSC process, in particular https://spec.matrix.org/proposals/#process. The source of the Matrix specification itself is maintained at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec. The Matrix Spec Process An MSC is meant to be a technical document that unambiguously describes a change to the Matrix Spec, while also justifying why the change should be made. The document is used both to judge whether the change should be made as described and by developers to actually implement the changes. This is why it's important for an MSC to be fully fleshed out in technical detail, as once merged it's immediately part of the formal spec (even though it still needs to be transcribed into the actual spec itself). What changes need to follow this process? In most cases a change to the Matrix protocol will require an MSC. Changes that would not require an MSC are typically small and uncontentious, or are simply clarifications to the spec. Fixing typos in the spec do not require an MSC. In most cases, removing ambiguities do not either. The exception may be if implementations in the ecosystem have differing views on clarifying the ambiguity. In that case, an MSC is typically the best place to reach consensus. Ultimately, the Spec Core Team have the final say on this, but generally if the change would require updates to a non-insignificant portion of the Matrix implementation ecosystem or would be met with contention, an MSC is the best route to take. You can also ask in the Matrix Spec or Office of the Spec Core Team Matrix rooms for clarification. Summary of the process The MSC process consists of three basic steps: Write up the proposal in a markdown document. (There's a proposal template, but don't feel bound by it.) Submit it as a Pull Request to this repo, marking it as a draft until it's ready for wider review. Seek review from the community. Once people are generally happy with it, ask the Spec Core Team to look at it in the Office of the SCT Matrix room. When the SCT are happy with the proposal, and after a successful voting process, your pull request is merged and the MSC is now officially accepted as part of the Matrix Spec and can be used 🎉 For simple changes this is really all you need to know. For larger or more controversial changes, getting an MSC merged can take more time and effort, but the overall process remains the same. Below is various guidance to try and help make the experience smoother. Guidance on the process 1. Writing the proposal Come up with an idea. The idea can be for anything, but the solution (MSC) needs to benefit the Matrix ecosystem rather than yourself (or your company) specifically. Sometimes this means that the solution needs to be more generic than the specific itch that you are trying to scratch. Remember that an MSC is a formal technical document which will be used by others in the wider community to judge if the proposal should be accepted and to actually implement the changes in clients and servers. This means that for an MSC to be accepted it should include justifications and describe the technical changes unambiguously, including specifying what happens in any and all edge cases. There's a proposal template under docs/0000-proposal.md, but you don't necessarily need to use it. Covering the same major points is fine. Note: At this stage, you won't have an MSC number, so feel free to use 0000, XXXX, or whatever other placeholder you feel comfortable with. Some tips for MSC writing: Please wrap your lines to 120 characters maximum. This allows readers to review your markdown without needing to horizontally scroll back and forth. Many markdown text editors have this feature. If you are referencing an existing endpoint in the spec, or another MSC, it is very helpful to add a link to them so the reader does not need to search themselves. Examples: "This MSC proposals an alternative to MSC3030." "A new field will be added to the response body of /_matrix/client/v3/sync". Note: it is best to link to the latest stable version of the spec (e.g. /v1.3, not /latest) - failing that, /unstable if the change is not yet in a released spec version. GitHub supports rendering fancy diagrams from text with very little effort using Mermaid. See this guide for more information. Take a look at the MSC Checklist. When it comes time for the Spec Core Team to review your MSC for acceptance, they'll use the items on this checklist as a guide. 2. Submitting a Pull Request Open a Pull Request to add your proposal document to the proposals directory. Note that this will require a GitHub account. Mark your Pull Request as a draft for now. The MSC number is the number of the pull request that is automatically assigned by GitHub. Go back through and edit the document accordingly. Don't forget the file name itself! Edit the pull request title to fit the format "MSC1234: Your proposal title". Once your proposal is correctly formatted and ready for review from the wider ecosystem, take your Pull Request out of draft status. The Spec Core Team will notice this and apply various labels/status tracking to your MSC, which will announce it to the wider world. 3. Seeking review Seek review from the Matrix community. Generally this will happen naturally, but if you feel that your proposal is lacking review then ask for people's opinion in the Matrix Spec room on Matrix. Reviews can take many forms, and do not need to be done solely by members of the Spec Core Team. Getting other people who are familiar with the area of Matrix you are proposing changes to is a great first step; especially those who may be implementing these changes in clients and/or homeservers. While
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Aaaargh, this comment is a nightmare. It is a GOOD THING for people to open MSCs and try to evolve Matrix, and the number of open proposals shows the enthusiasm in the ecosystem for doing so and proposing ways to evolve the protocol. Meanwhile, the number of actually accepted merged MSCs is way lower - 226 merged in 8 years: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/issues?q... - so 28 per year. Same as Python. > I wouldn't want to be tasked with maintaining a Matrix client and I don't have much faith in the forward compatibility of the few Matrix bots I've written either. Authenticated media is literally the first time we've made a significant breaking change on the CS API in 10 years - and was effectively a security fix, to stop people abusing Matrix as a CDN. Bots I wrote 10 years ago still work today without changes (othe
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r than auth media). > The way the Matrix spec is developed feels a lot more like a proprietary company spec that happens to be published on Github than the IETF/XMPP/Python spec process. Seriously, read the proposal mechanism (https://spec.matrix.org/proposals/) and look at a MSC like https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/177... with >500 comments from across the wider community (so big that it crashed GitHub at the time).
In Matrix Client Tutorial
Arathorn·Nov 3, 2024Recommendation phrase
Yup. One of the biggest learnings of E2EE in Matrix is that the complexity is 95% user experience. However, in Element X, we've been determined to get it right - although there is still some temporary UX in there while full-blown Invisible Crypto is still rolling out (as it requires a breaking change to stop encrypting/decrypting with unsigned devices - the equivalent to a browser refusing to talk TLS to self-signed certs). If you haven't seen MSC4161 (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/and...) i highly recommend it as evidence of how we've made a serious effort to fix the terminology and copy - not just for Element X but across all Matrix clients.
In Matrix 2.0 Is Here
Thanks for the positive feedback :) There's still a lot of polish (and features) planned out for Element X, so it should only get better! > I thought we agreed on “security key” for a while, but I do like this name better Yes, sorry for flipflopping on this. On the plus side, we've finally locked down encryption terminology and are going to get it in the spec to ensure that UX is consistent between clients: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/and... In terms of clients for other platforms - it's worth noting that GNOME Fractal uses matrix-rust-sdk and so benefits from all the work that goes into Element X on the rust-sdk side, and so is shaping up increasingly well :)
In Matrix 2.0 Is Here
We did improve things massively (like, 5x) with Faster Remote Room Joins: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/390... and https://element-hq.github.io/synapse/latest/development/syna.... We did all the super-hard groundwork to make non-atomic joins possible - but then ran out of time & $ to go further (plus none of the Element paying customers are complaining about it). There's another order of magnitude speedup to be had there, though. Between this and https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/mat... we should be able to fix things unrecognisably, but just haven't got there yet. > Matrix is mostly a victim of the government forks taking up their time in different directions instead of having just one app like signal. It's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it generates $ to work on Matrix. On the other
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hand, it means that if none of the $-payers care about faster remote room joins, they get deprioritised :|
In We have lift-off Element X, Call and Server Suite are ready
this is very very confused. the key you use in Matrix to get at your historical messages /is/ your security passphrase/key (assuming you set it up). the vector.im identity server is just a phonebook to let people discover you based on email address if you so desire. the UX in Element is clearly a disaster, given nightmarish confusions like this. we have tried to fix it in Element X and stuff like https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/and... which is looking promising
In Ask HN: User communities that aren't Discord?
Not only are they actually very closely linked, in that Element operates matrix.org, but to a new user (told to try Matrix -- what is this Element thing?) there's no difference. I onboarded a family member onto my Matrix server with FluffyChat as the client. This person is a power user, fairly technical, yet still refers to the chat as "FluffyChat" and although I've explained several times that choosing FluffyChat was maybe a mistake and they should use Element, it never seems to really click that multiple clients are possible. And really, they aren't possible. They have different subsets of features. If you want to see a trash can fire, just try to follow the discussion for adding custom emoji to Matrix: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/195... it's been going on for years. It's a feature the competitors have had f
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or half a decade, as long as this discussion has been ongoing. I've been watching this issue for half a decade thinking "surely they'll decide on something" but mostly all I've been convinced of is this: Matrix is design by committee in all of the worst aspects and at every level of design. If anything gets done at all, it's a convoluted mess, and it's a miracle that it even happens. I wish community software developers would focus their attention.. somewhere else.
In The Matrix Trashfire
So Matrix also has account portability (almost) - https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/keg... and https://github.com/devonh/matrix-spec-proposals/blob/cryptoI..., implemented in Dendrite. Unfortunately dev is paused on it currently thanks to lack of $ though. The AP approach (prioritising portable identities over portable account data) is cute though, and perhaps we should have prioritised that as an alternative to fullblown cryptographic IDs & account portability.
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